Culture seems to have a strange conception of the Christian afterlife. You only need to look at films, cartoons, TV programs and books to see that there is a concept of 'going to heaven'- of escaping to an ethereal soul float; a disembodied, spiritual, vague and unscientific existence. I think of His Dark Materials, the Phillip Pullman novels in which millions of souls are released from a torturous existence, to be released into the nirvana of nature. I think of the Simpsons with its comic depictions of God and his long white beard, sitting on a big fluffy cloud, of souls floating out of bodies. You don't need to look far to find a picture of 'heaven'. Ask any person on the street, in gregs, in HMV, in Starbucks- they will tell you about souls and clouds and maybe harps.
Somehow this notion of 'heaven' has slipped into Christian culture. People seem to be under the impression that the Christian belief is that I will die, my soul will float out and I will live with God in a spiritual heaven. And for years that's what I believed. And it irritated me. Even worse, I didn't really believe it. It sounds like a fairy tale, like a pre-enlightened fantasy. Christian culture seems to be at times vague, and times bordering on confused on what 'heaven' consists of at all.
But it's pretty clear from what it says in the Bible that the Christian hope is one of resurrection. I was reading only this morning from Job:
"After my skin has been destroyed,In my flesh I will see God. I really don't know in what other sense I could see God. I don't really know in what other sense I could be anything at all. And it's littered all over the Bible. You only need to read 1 Corinthians 15, Paul goes on a similar rant about resurrection and how important it is. I know it sounds strange, but I get really riled up about this. It influences how we live out faith; it's important that we think through what it is we have hope in.
yet in my flesh I will see God;
I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!"
But people don't really get it sometimes. On one side there are the people who think 'surely all Christians believe in the resurrection of the body'- it's obvious. The other side don't really know; and even more dangerously, they don't think it matters very much. Only last week I met up with a friend who would call himself a Christian. He didn't really understand what happens when we die. He wasn't really sure what he believed. But he'd never really heard about physical resurrection. I have spoken to friends of mine who have been Christians for 10 years who don't really know what they think. And it makes me so angry, because it's so vital, so central to what Christianity is about. Even in the most basic doctrine of beliefs we have, the apostles creed claims:
"I believe in the resurrection of the body"I think it's pretty important we know what the hope is that we claim. It impacts how we share faith, it impacts how we live it out, and it matters deeply. I resent the fact that we have embraced a culture of 'death' being a going into the next room, a natural part of life, just a little harmless stage in human existence. No! Christianity believes that death is conquered. But it is conquered because it needs conquering. Death is painful. I think about the loss of my Grandmother on my family and what pain that causes us, what a gap that leaves. Death is awful, it is horrendous, it is totally opposed to life and to hope.
Resurrection is a pretty clear word- it is about rising from the dead. It is about conquering death. Rising from the dead reverses an act of utter evil. If death is only an escaping of this world, of this body, then it is not all that bad and it totally nullifies the cross.
For me, this realization was enormously significant. As far as I could gather, my identity was so intricately tied into my physicality; my personality was as much about how I looked as how I acted. And what I thought were the beliefs of Christianity seemed so opposed to that. The truth is that we are very physical beings- the Bible is very clear about that. We are dust beings not floaty floaty spirits. We need to cling onto this more than ever in an age of ever increasing scepticism towards Christianity. It might be that the concept of resurrection is just as laughable. But personally, I found the truth of resurrection transformed my faith, my view of hope, my view of death. We need clarity in how we speak, how we communicate, how we preach and in our own minds.
"But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised."
Great post Josh! When we convert from Platonism to Christianity (and as you rightly point out, not many self-defined western Christians have made this step) we have to completely reframe the narrative of the gospel from one of ascension (from flesh to spirit, from space-time to ether, from earth to heaven) to one of incarnation, of Word becoming flesh, of God stepping down to greet us as fellow humans, warts and all.
ReplyDeleteHi! I really love this blogg. Its so true. Lets set our minds on things above!!
ReplyDeleteWhat do you believe happens between now and the resurrection? Cos Ive heard some say "soul sleep", others that we will maybe be given a interim body until the resurrection, others say we will be just spirit until the resurection. Your thoughts?
It's an interesting question Abi. And one that I don't really know the answer to. My instant reaction would be 'soul sleep' of some kind. But really, there be much of a felt gap between our death and resurrection and the New Creation. This is the option that makes me most sense to me rather than the one I necessarily think I read the most about...
ReplyDeleteEllie disagrees with me.
What do you reckon?
Well Im not sure, but my initial reaction used to be "spirits in heaven", but these days I kind of veer towards maybe some temporary kind of body until the resurection. But for no other reason than someone wise (randy alcorn) suggested it and I struggle to see how we being such physical creatures could exist with no body at all. But then I struggle to understand so many things, that it could well be that we are just spirits in heaven.
ReplyDeleteIn the Bible I don't think soul sleep is an option personally speaking, but as lots of people hold to it I won't rule it out completely.. :-) However passages such as Christ saying to the thief today he would be with Him in Paradise, and also Moses and Elija meeting with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. Plus when Paul speaks of dying being gain I cant see how he meant soul sleep till the resurection... But that again is not a concrete argument. Plus Steven said when he was being stoned "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit". Plus what about the people who didnt die in the Bible? like enoch and elijah? oH, and what about passage that says "absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord (2Cor5v8)?
I dont find the idea of falling asleep till the resurection a very comforting one for facing death, or facing the death of other christians. Do you?
Hope you don't mind my little spiel. :-)
I think falling asleep till the resurrection isn't very comforting, but I think it gives more power and significance to our resurrection, which I think ultimately should be our focus.
ReplyDeleteI think the Moses & Elijiah is a good point. I don't know what I think about that. Your other two points not so much. When Jesus talks to the thief, it still makes sense to think 'today you will be with me in paradise' if it is an instantaneous change from his perspective- i.e. he dies, thousands of years pass and he wakes up resurrected. Similarly with Paul- maybe what he means by 'to die is gain' is that he will enter into a new perfect creation.
"Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" doesn't imply that that we can live just as a spirit- by spirit I take him to mean his breath, his life.
Ermmm...enoch & elijiah, I think are probably knocking around in heaven in their bodies with Jesus.
I think one of the main problems when it comes to thinking about this is one of time- why do we expect the time of the new creation to just follow on the same way. Just like in Narnia- in the Lion Witch & Wardrobe- the children go to Narnia, grow old, and are there for years. Yet when they come out of the wardrobe only minutes has passed. I think the same is probably true of the new kingdom...So from our perspective soul sleep is millions of years- actually it's miliseconds compared to eternity- even less.
I definitely see your point.
ReplyDeleteHowever in my opinion it just doesn't fit with what I seem to read as the general idea in the bible regarding God's people's death. Do you see what I mean? Sometimes its not that something is clearly pointed out as not being true in the bible, but rather that it doesn't seem to fit with everything else. But again this is just what I have gathered and what I lean towards, like many differences Christians have on various things, we will all see things differently.
In fact yesterday I was struck by just how good God is in His creation, that He has created things with such diversity. We had a philosophical cafe on the topic of beauty, and I realised how we all may find some things more beautiful than others, or somethings more tasty, etc. Each person is so different, how exciting this is!
Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really like the way you reason things through, even if we do come to different conclusions... :-)